PFS Spring Loaded Wrist Sheath and potions

While I do understand this. Knowing that he does it? Would you still not allow it?

I say this because this might help those people on the fence. But its still not FAQ and there are still those GM's that won't allow it.

Im still curious about Accelerated Drinker. The rules for extracts say they are handed like potions, but some people dont allow this trait to work with them. Be nice to have cleared up.

Accelerated Drinker has already been exlpained that it doesn't work with extracts/infusions.

So why not craft a potion wrist sheath(get specific)or have one crafted for you. Shouldn't be to pricey,and could probably hold 2 or 3 potions. Problem solved,crafting skill put to use.

tighra; such an item isn't specifically listed in the books, and therefore isn't PFS legal.

Bummer,seemed like a reasonable item to develop.Aw well,maybe another solution will present itself. I took a shot.

So, I could not fill my Wrist Sheathes with Gold Coins?

So, I could not fill my Wrist Sheathes with Gold Coins?

Get a coin dispenser,clips right on your belt.

What about Obsidian, Bone, or other fragile weapons and ammunition?

Do they, instantly break, upon being released from a Wrist Sheathe?

I think there's a lot of animosity towards wrist sheathes because of how useful they are, and their price (notably compared to Gloves of Storing).

In my games, I allow potions and scrolls, but not rods.

At the beginning of games I play in, I ask the GM what they allow (because there is table variation), and most GMs allow the same.

For those that don't, I'll usually hope for the best - if something occurs during the game that I know that restriction stung me on (like, say, a breath of life scroll), I'll probably not play with that GM again. It's fair enough on both sides - people have different play styles. If I'm smart enough to ask well in advance, I might withdraw from that table before playing and let them GM know why. The important thing is to just be respectful about it.

Having said that, this has never been a problem for me to date, so I've been lucky.

For those that are worried about PFS; I was talking to Mike Brock at a convention last year and he told me he uses a potion of fly and Gaseous form in his Spring loaded Wrist sheaths. If he can do it, why can't I?

GM privileges. And he IS THE GM :)

I have never been a fan of the "if-it-isn't-magical-then-it's-useless" line of thinking I tend to see a lot on here. A mundane item should never be equal to a magical item certainly, it should always be worse, but not pointless. To use the Gloves of Storing that were brought up a moment ago. Gloves of Storing uses a free action which is vastly superior to a swift action, therefore gloves of storing are vastly superior and are magical. Wrist sheathes are very good items, they are not as good as their magical equivalents but are very useful. Drawing a small pre-specified item (even a potion) as a swift action is neither game breaking or even overpowered. It is one of the few mundane items that give players some tactical usage even in higher levels. Honestly I wish there were more items like this.

So, what happens when a player puts an item small enough to fit in a wrist sheathe, that is not one of the listed examples?

Does the DM make the item shatter, no matter what it is?

Does the DM state "it does not fit", even when such a statement defies logic, to the point of extreme absurdity?

The reason I disallow potions in wrist sheaths has nothing to do with fragility, and everything to do with size.

A 1 ounce vial is about 2 inches long.
An arrow is about 10-12 inches long or longer.
A dagger is 8-10 inches long.
A crossbow bolt is about 8 inches long.
A wand is 6-12 inches long.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have no problem with a rolled up scroll. So go figure, eh?

If a player says they have a potion in the wrist sheath I inform them that it can be held there, but it is too short to be properly extracted by the wrist sheath's mechanism.

The reason I disallow potions in wrist sheaths has nothing to do with fragility, and everything to do with size.

A 1 ounce vial is about 2 inches long.
An arrow is about 10-12 inches long or longer.
A dagger is 8-10 inches long.
A crossbow bolt is about 8 inches long.
A wand is 6-12 inches long.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have no problem with a rolled up scroll. So go figure, eh?

If a player says they have a potion in the wrist sheath I inform them that it can be held there, but it is too short to be properly extracted by the wrist sheath's mechanism.

Oh?

What about Shuriken, Blowgun Darts, and Sling Bullets?

What if you carry more, or less, ammunition or Potions?

The reason I disallow potions in wrist sheaths has nothing to do with fragility, and everything to do with size.

A 1 ounce vial is about 2 inches long.
An arrow is about 10-12 inches long or longer.
A dagger is 8-10 inches long.
A crossbow bolt is about 8 inches long.
A wand is 6-12 inches long.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have no problem with a rolled up scroll. So go figure, eh?

If a player says they have a potion in the wrist sheath I inform them that it can be held there, but it is too short to be properly extracted by the wrist sheath's mechanism.

The "potions are too small" argument everyone seems to be using is immediately trumped by the fact that you can by RAW store a single sling bullet in a wrist sheathe if you wanted due to the line: "store UP TO 1 pound of ammunition". Emphasis mine.

The reason I disallow potions in wrist sheaths has nothing to do with fragility, and everything to do with size.

A 1 ounce vial is about 2 inches long.
An arrow is about 10-12 inches long or longer.
A dagger is 8-10 inches long.
A crossbow bolt is about 8 inches long.
A wand is 6-12 inches long.

One of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, I have no problem with a rolled up scroll. So go figure, eh?

If a player says they have a potion in the wrist sheath I inform them that it can be held there, but it is too short to be properly extracted by the wrist sheath's mechanism.

So perhaps the phrase "I glued a six-inch dowel to the bottom of the potion vial" makes it ok?

I wonder why nobody hasn't put that forward... 6" dowel + iron vial = end of argument?

I wonder why nobody hasn't put that forward... 6" dowel + iron vial = end of argument?

Or even better, just two iron vials glued together base to base

Now you can have 4 potions!

So perhaps the phrase "I glued a six-inch dowel to the bottom of the potion vial" makes it ok?

I wonder why nobody hasn't put that forward... 6" dowel + iron vial = end of argument?

Technically wouldn't work by RAW as gluing objects together does not make them a single object. Good thing too, otherwise we would have horrifying things like people gluing bolts to Ogres and firing them them from their crossbows and other such shenanigans.

Just add a bunch of additional empty Potion bottles.

Just add a bunch of additional empty Potion bottles.

Wouldn't work. Wrist sheathe can only be loaded with a single item OR multiple pieces of ammunition

blackbloodtroll wrote:

Just add a bunch of additional empty Potion bottles.

Wouldn't work. Wrist sheathe can only be loaded with a single item OR multiple pieces of ammunition

So, never one Arrow?

So why not craft a potion wrist sheath(get specific)or have one crafted for you. Shouldn't be to pricey,and could probably hold 2 or 3 potions. Problem solved,crafting skill put to use.

This.

Someone needs to write it for 'Moar Ultimate Equipment' no doubt due next Christmas :p

So, never one Arrow?

LOl cheeky bastard ;)

An Arrow is an item and would therefore fall under the "single item" part of my statement.

No Bullets?

No Bullets?

One bullet is still an item and covered under "single item". Bullets are also ammunition and covered under "multiple pieces of ammunition". My statement is airtight ;)

Spring loaded wrist sheathes and weapon cords. So good, even the monsters and villains should use them. Drinking the party treasure in front of them is frustrating. End a round with a swift to drop the potion. Next round: drink potion with accelerated drinking, drop another with a swift and drink a potion with a standard. Two pieces of treasure consumed in a single round. Too bad a haste potion doesn't let you immediately consume a third potion.

Don't have your villains save consumables for the players to have them. Probably have the thralls of the villain spend their turns loading the wrist sheathes with more potions and cocking them back. Sure, it is menial work, but it is hard to get good jobs in this economy. Have them be poor peasants down on their luck.

Tiny, or Diminutive Syringe Spear.

Surely, one of these are a forearm length items for someone.

My friend uses the syringe spear to do non-lethal and hook us all up. I will attempt to see if I can fit a tiny syringe spear into a sheath.

Slacker2010, I find it your story very interesting, and perhaps my VC will too.

I asked my VC a bunch of questions tonight, but most importantly how he'd rule his mechanics in his game. He humorously told me that at the given moment that I tried to do it, he'd make some sort of arbitrary decision that I might or might not like and would never be consistent. MY LIFE!

Hmm, a medium Syringe Spear is about 4 to 5 feet in length.

To be "forearm length", it needs to be around 1 foot.

How many size categories in difference does it take to go from 4-5ft. to 1ft.?

Yeah RAW there is no definition for sizes of weapons in different size categories so it places the problem firmly in the realm of "GM's call".

Is it reduced by 50% each time?

EDIT: As a disclaimer, I read the first several posts and then kinda skimmed after that.

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A couple of things:

First, in the equipment chapter of the CRB, it explicitly states that a potion/ink vial "is made out of glass or steel and holds 1 ounce of liquid".

You don't need to buy any special variant item, because steel is already an option for default potion vials (and the weight is still negligible, per the chart).

Second, if a GM can roll 10d6 falling damage when your character hits the bottom of a cliff without asking if there were any potions in your pockets, but then when you stand up and pop a potion out of your sleeve he says that the little spring might break it, then they are a bad GM.

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Agreed!

And IMHO Jiggy is with it.