Yeah Doom was done wrong by ALL the FF movies. The reboot with future Steve Rogers with Chris Evans and Michael Chiklis's Ben Grimm, those were great.
Ros,
I dunno about grumby, but he COULD be a barbarian. I mean he didn't have much of a social life that I noticed being stuck on Lighthouse duty.
Phantom,
The problem I felt with the second one was the fact they didn't have more Mephisto along with a strong supernatural presence.
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Aquaman is like Oceanic King Conan.
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Ah but aquaman or namor?
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Namor is more about D-plomacy.......with other people's wives.
yyeeeeeah. If I were to rate the worst D uh jerks in marvel the top 3 would contain Namor cyclops and high evolutionary.
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STARFOX
His superpower is pretty much roofies. The absolute worst of the bunch
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Yeah now the list will be Starfox (and not the furry one) Namor and Cyclops
I found the she hulk story arc to be fascinating with respect to how starfox' powers work . I think the author could have gone in a deeper direction, but it raised a lot of good questions with respect to the nature of consent.
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Freehold,
Yeah I remember that story. I HATED that. Especially for Jen.
Anyways, Namor is just a dick and kind of more like anti-hero of the seas than heroic barbarian.
Freehold,
Yeah I remember that story. I HATED that. Especially for Jen.
Anyways, Namor is just a dick and kind of more like anti-hero of the seas than heroic barbarian.
Its why hes on the list.
I found the she hulk story arc to be fascinating with respect to how starfox' powers work . I think the author could have gone in a deeper direction, but it raised a lot of good questions with respect to the nature of consent.
Which is why I said his power is pretty much roofies. It's pretty %@!#ed up
So
1. star fox
2. Namor
3. cyclops
then?
Freehold,
Yeah I remember that story. I HATED that. Especially for Jen.
Anyways, Namor is just a dick and kind of more like anti-hero of the seas than heroic barbarian.
I didn't hate it, nor do I think starfox an ass or a monster, although I think the writer wanted to portray him that way- as noted above they could have gone in a deeper direction. His powers are always on.
Never liked Namor but I don't remember Starfox.
Dragon,
He's Thanos' brother. He's an Titanian Eternal who has the power to influence and occasionally seduce women. Plus you know being an Eternal.
Plus he's kind of a jerk but not as big a jerk as Thanos.
Freehold,
Yeah I remember that story. I HATED that. Especially for Jen.
Anyways, Namor is just a dick and kind of more like anti-hero of the seas than heroic barbarian.
Namor spends way too much time being a flat out VILLAIN in his career for me to give him the 'anti-hero' label. Even when he's trying to behave, he's teaming up with Magneto and White Queen... ;)
I see him more as a villain who occassionaly gets pointed at common interests... Like Doctor Doom or Venom.
Phantom,
I can't argue he and Doom aren't some times cut from the same cloth...
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Freehold,
Yeah I remember that story. I HATED that. Especially for Jen.
Anyways, Namor is just a dick and kind of more like anti-hero of the seas than heroic barbarian.
Namor spends way too much time being a flat out VILLAIN in his career for me to give him the 'anti-hero' label. Even when he's trying to behave, he's teaming up with Magneto and White Queen... ;)
I see him more as a villain who occassionaly gets pointed at common interests... Like Doctor Doom or Venom.
Anti-villain then?
Hama,
That sounds kind of accurate.
Justice League....
is going to suck.
Wonder Woman will remain an outlier in the DCU in terms of quality.
I think things might approve after Justice League. Maybe.
The way production works any lessons learned from Wonderwoman probably won't influence Justice League (and I guess technically Aquaman) much, but afterwards? sure.
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I HAD little hope for this movie... but the news I was hearing about Whedon getting involved is very encouraging. Especially since there were supposedly some massive reshoots happening.
NORMALLY I consider that a massive red flag... but in THIS case, where I hate pretty much everything I've seen and the idea of the film doing a complete 180 in a different direction... This time I'm cautiously optimistic.
Whether ENOUGH of Snyder's plans will be scrapped remains to be seen. Frankly I kind of expect this to be a bit of a mess and actually FEELING like two separate visions crammed into one movie... but time will tell. It's POSSIBLE between Joss taking control and Wonder Woman reviews this ship could straighten out yet...
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I HAD little hope for this movie... but the news I was hearing about Whedon getting involved is very encouraging. Especially since there were supposedly some massive reshoots happening.
NORMALLY I consider that a massive red flag... but in THIS case, where I hate pretty much everything I've seen and the idea of the film doing a complete 180 in a different direction... This time I'm cautiously optimistic.
Whether ENOUGH of Snyder's plans will be scrapped remains to be seen. Frankly I kind of expect this to be a bit of a mess and actually FEELING like two separate visions crammed into one movie... but time will tell. It's POSSIBLE between Joss taking control and Wonder Woman reviews this ship could straighten out yet...
ugh.
I think Justice League will be somewhere between SS quality and maybe half of the WW quality.
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ugh.I HAD little hope for this movie... but the news I was hearing about Whedon getting involved is very encouraging. Especially since there were supposedly some massive reshoots happening.
NORMALLY I consider that a massive red flag... but in THIS case, where I hate pretty much everything I've seen and the idea of the film doing a complete 180 in a different direction... This time I'm cautiously optimistic.
Whether ENOUGH of Snyder's plans will be scrapped remains to be seen. Frankly I kind of expect this to be a bit of a mess and actually FEELING like two separate visions crammed into one movie... but time will tell. It's POSSIBLE between Joss taking control and Wonder Woman reviews this ship could straighten out yet...
Now tell me how much you loved Firefly and that it totally wasn't ripped off.
It's not necessary for the League to revert to a '60's or '70's lineup for me to enjoy it, but any lineup that features MotherBoxCyborg as a first string player will not feel right to me.
Victor should be a [former Teen] Titan, not a founding League member. His Nu52 reimagining was, IMHO, a mistake.
Damon,
I'm pretty much with you because putting a Mother box inside a human...bad idea.
It's not necessary for the League to revert to a '60's or '70's lineup for me to enjoy it, but any lineup that features MotherBoxCyborg as a first string player will not feel right to me.
Victor should be a [former Teen] Titan, not a founding League member. His Nu52 reimagining was, IMHO, a mistake.
Agreed... It also feels weird because I don't feel it will stick with him. I suspect with one of these reboots and rebirths that Cyborg will be back as a Teen titan and the JL Founder will be forgotten as a failed experiment with his character and the Leagues traditional history will be restored... but now that it's a part of the cinematic universe it will always be this weird snapshot in time. So not only is it weird NOW... it's gonna be weird for a long time to come.
Phantom,
It might happen after this whole Dark Multiverse thing...
I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.
ugh.I HAD little hope for this movie... but the news I was hearing about Whedon getting involved is very encouraging. Especially since there were supposedly some massive reshoots happening.
NORMALLY I consider that a massive red flag... but in THIS case, where I hate pretty much everything I've seen and the idea of the film doing a complete 180 in a different direction... This time I'm cautiously optimistic.
Whether ENOUGH of Snyder's plans will be scrapped remains to be seen. Frankly I kind of expect this to be a bit of a mess and actually FEELING like two separate visions crammed into one movie... but time will tell. It's POSSIBLE between Joss taking control and Wonder Woman reviews this ship could straighten out yet...
Now tell me how much you loved Firefly and that it totally wasn't ripped off.
quiet, you.
Phantom,
It might happen after this whole Dark Multiverse thing...
Haven't heard about that one... is that the fallout from Rebirth/Button/watchmen thing, or is that something else?
Regardless Cyborg on the team (as a founder no less) never felt like it would stand the test of time.
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I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.
BOOYAH BOOYAH!
My 5 year old loves the obnoxious idiot slacker archetypes that Cyborg and Beast Boy embody in Teen Titans Go!, which is probably why that show is geared toward her demo instead of grown ups.
I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.BOOYAH BOOYAH!
My 5 year old loves the obnoxious idiot slacker archetypes that Cyborg and Beast Boy embody in Teen Titans Go!, which is probably why that show is geared toward her demo instead of grown ups.
uh..no.
I'm talking about the actual comic time period the others are referring to above.
In some ways(not all) I prefer what I see in ttg as opposed to the 80s blacksploitation lines he used to spew then.
The show is aimed at kids, but when it makes references to the late 80s/early 90s time period, I can't help but laugh- it really lampoons some of those storylines/characters. And 80/80/20 is one of the best episodes of the show I have seen to date. Can't watch it without remembering the few good parts of elementary school/junior high.
quiet, you.ugh.I HAD little hope for this movie... but the news I was hearing about Whedon getting involved is very encouraging. Especially since there were supposedly some massive reshoots happening.
NORMALLY I consider that a massive red flag... but in THIS case, where I hate pretty much everything I've seen and the idea of the film doing a complete 180 in a different direction... This time I'm cautiously optimistic.
Whether ENOUGH of Snyder's plans will be scrapped remains to be seen. Frankly I kind of expect this to be a bit of a mess and actually FEELING like two separate visions crammed into one movie... but time will tell. It's POSSIBLE between Joss taking control and Wonder Woman reviews this ship could straighten out yet...
Now tell me how much you loved Firefly and that it totally wasn't ripped off.
But I worked ever so hard to change the names.
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I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.
He was okay in the Wolfman/Perez run, for a character that seemed to be little more than a token black guy, at times (certainly handled better than clichéd alien sexpot Starfire, by the writing). But he has never felt particularly 'League-ready' to me. (Neither did Donna Troy or Starfire or Dick Grayson-as-Batman, in their brief times as League members, for that matter.)
If the League 'needed' a black person to diversify the 'big seven,' I would have preferred John Stewart to check off that box. Or, going further into the League's non-Satellite-era members, perhaps Vixen.
Even retconning Phantom Stranger's 'not-really-a-member' past appearances as having been appearances by Dr. Mist / Nommo, might be a way to scratch that itch, that, IMO, would feel more organic to the characters involved than changing Cyborg that drastically.
(That said, I love the idea of someone modified by Apocalyptan tech, such as a former converted parademon, or, yes, someone mixed up with a Mother Box, as a hero, or even League member, just not Cyborg being that person.)
I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.He was okay in the Wolfman/Perez run, for a character that seemed to be little more than a token black guy, at times (certainly handled better than clichéd alien sexpot Starfire, by the writing). But he has never felt particularly 'League-ready' to me. (Neither did Donna Troy or Starfire or Dick Grayson-as-Batman, in their brief times as League members, for that matter.)
If the League 'needed' a black person to diversify the 'big seven,' I would have preferred John Stewart to check off that box. Or, going further into the League's non-Satellite-era members, perhaps Vixen.
Even retconning Phantom Stranger's 'not-really-a-member' past appearances as having been appearances by Dr. Mist / Nommo, might be a way to scratch that itch, that, IMO, would feel more organic to the characters involved than changing Cyborg that drastically.
(That said, I love the idea of someone modified by Apocalyptan tech, such as a former converted parademon, or, yes, someone mixed up with a Mother Box, as a hero, or even League member, just not Cyborg being that person.)
if given a choice between the current cyborg and the previous loser who couldn't lead a titans team on East coast or west or even have his own comic without him or a team member dying horrifically, I'll choose the former.
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Every time a new super hero movie comes out I'm super glad for my comic book ignorance.
Pretty sure this is gonna be Age of Ultron 2, so meh at best. But, hey, who knows, it might be great.
if given a choice between the current cyborg and the previous loser who couldn't lead a titans team on East coast or west or even have his own comic without him or a team member dying horrifically, I'll choose the former.I would be all for this if cyborg wasn't a joke/bad stereotype for much of his time in teen titans. Or dead or a robot.He was okay in the Wolfman/Perez run, for a character that seemed to be little more than a token black guy, at times (certainly handled better than clichéd alien sexpot Starfire, by the writing). But he has never felt particularly 'League-ready' to me. (Neither did Donna Troy or Starfire or Dick Grayson-as-Batman, in their brief times as League members, for that matter.)
If the League 'needed' a black person to diversify the 'big seven,' I would have preferred John Stewart to check off that box. Or, going further into the League's non-Satellite-era members, perhaps Vixen.
Even retconning Phantom Stranger's 'not-really-a-member' past appearances as having been appearances by Dr. Mist / Nommo, might be a way to scratch that itch, that, IMO, would feel more organic to the characters involved than changing Cyborg that drastically.
(That said, I love the idea of someone modified by Apocalyptan tech, such as a former converted parademon, or, yes, someone mixed up with a Mother Box, as a hero, or even League member, just not Cyborg being that person.)
I don't remember Cyborg being that bad back in the day, but a) I haven't read those in a long time.
b) I was young and less sensitive to race/stereotype issues when they came out
c) I only got sporadic issues after the Wolfman/(Perez?) Titans days. I do seem to remember Cyborg getting the short end of the stick in the later stuff, but so did everyone else pretty much. The series went seriously downhill not too long after Crisis.
there's short end of the stick and then being beaten with it.
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Good news, at least as far as I'm concerned.What about script re-writes?
I are extremely concerned for Justice League.
And Orac-I mean Batgir-nope, she gonna be Oracle by the end of it.